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Wednesday, 03 November 2004

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Paul

As a non-american, i can say that you're almost (not quite) right.

Mark

I commiserate with you and all other liberal Americans. I would love to say that I think your assumption is wrong, but I can't. In the countries of Europe, most people will realise that only half of the US wanted Bush's re-election, and pity the other 50%.

But I think that in many countries of the world, they will see this as the US population endorsing Bush's foreign policies. This will cause anger, frustration, and yes, terrorism. The target will be the people they hold responsible: US citizens.

It is ironic that this will serve to re-enforce Bush's belligerent foreign policy.

I too would like to remain positive (one of reasons for starting my blog), but after what we have seen in the past 4 years, well, I just don't know....

Good luck, Sprizee.

Sally

Amen, sister.

I wonder if I should rethink my travel ideas. Or invest in a lot of Canadian flags?

the birdherder

I think the thinking people in the rest of the world are sorry for us. Except for the French guy that called me a 'fuck' last year in the Paris Metro*, everyone I've met outside the US were friendly to me.

Unless your plans take you to the Middle East, don't change your plans Sally. Go and be a goodwill ambassador for the rest of us. For the most part, people on this planet are good natured and will like you. And being nice to the woman selling bread in Paris and trying to speak French will go a long way in undoing the damage W is doing to America's reputation. When people asked me where I was from and I said Austin TX 100% of the people in all of the countries I visit replied "that's where George Bush is from" and I would cobble some phrase in the local language to the effect "Please don't blame me for our idiot president"

* he yelled at me because I wouldn't open the exit gate to let him sneak into the subway.

Murphy

sprizers.

i suggest we start our own country. we'll call it murphala land.

there will be not bushes, just shrubberies. and booze. plenty of booze.

and there will be men, lots and lots of men.

and "republicans" will be a delicacy and we will sell them in your grocer's freezer packaged as dog food.

Johnny

Sprizee,

I think what you're trying to tell me is...

you had sex in Italy
and Germany
and Poland
and France
and England...

Am I forgetting any others?

You are ahead of me.

You win this election.

I do hereby concede.

sprizee

Paul,

Clarify how I'm not quite right. I'm interested in what you have to say...

Anonymous

This may not make you feel better, but the result doesn't necessarily mean "50% of Americans think W is doing a good job." I mean, I voted for Kerry, but not because I liked him. I just really didn't want Bush to have another four years. So I'm sure there were a number of Bush voters who didn't think he was doing a good job but weren't sure Kerry would do any better.

Anonymous

I totally disagree with you - I could give a rip what the uppity europeans think about us. Sure, I'd like to play nice with everyone, but when they want to take their ball and go home cause we don't want to play by ONLY their rules - then I don't really care. I don't want to slam them, but hey, I don't like the head of France, so??? Does it affect me? No. Does it affect my country? Not really. Do I need to grovel or expect them to? No, no reason to - we can agree to disagree.

I do agree with the one poster who said many of the dems weren't really for Kerry as much as they were against Bush. Heck, some of the flakier dems would have voted for a potted plant if the dems had run it against Bush.

I could not join in a party that embraced Soros, Michael Moore, Moveon.org, the radical whacko's that protested the RNC - sorry, you chased millions away from your party.

I voted for Bush, I'm proud of it. We've got four more years to make this country the way that it needs to be, more like it use to be.

Murphy

I am one of those people mr or missy anon. who would have voted for a potted plan had it run against the bush.

Headstart For Happiness

Daschel was defeated, so who will lead the Democratic party now? Not only am I frightened about what will happen in Iraq (Bush just said in his victory speech that we would not get out of there until we could walk out of there proudly), but I'm afraid of what will happen to the Supreme Court and gay rights and other rights. I'm afraid about how far Bush will push his neoconservative agenda. I feel so sorry for parents who have kids in Iraq right now as we enter Fallujah, and I wonder if it is the first of many big battles to come.

I'm not a Michael Moore fan, and I didn't even like his movie for various reasons, but I don't think I would ever label him a wacko or reject the party solely for embracing him. (And anyway it seems to me like he embraced the Dems, rather than vice versa.) It's a testament to how much there is at stake, and in a way, it's exciting to see everybody so engaged in politics. I heard that people camped out overnight so that they could vote. That's really amazing!!

Johnny

Anon,
You're in the party of David Duke and Jesse Helms and Rush Limbaugh and Bill OReilly.

The sad truth is there really used to be compassionate conservatives -- good people. Now every republican I meet just want to blame the democrats for everything wrong with the world. What up with that?

Paul

Mainly what i meant was that even though i agree with you, i'm rather sure there are nuances that nobody knows about and so we can't form a totally perfect and considerative-of-everything opinion. But we (you) aren't too far from it either.

As we all did, i too posted my opinion (on the current matter). payl.blogspot.com
(and i'm sorry for the self-advertising)

sprizee

Notice how the only Bush supporter in the crowd posted as anonymous. That and then there's this "hey, I don't like the head of France, so??? Does it affect me? No. Does it affect my country? Not really." Right. That's the whole point. What W and his adminstration does DOES AFFECT the world, not just 'murka. Duh.

And in other new, for those moving to Canada...

http://www.marryanamerican.caOh and Murphy? I'm on board with the MurphySmurfy Land. Come at me. Don't forget to invite Birdie.

Anonymous

Here's an interesting article from The New Republic on the consequences of a Bush victory for the Supreme Court: http://www.ocnus.net/artman/publish/article_14755.shtml"What is at stake in the election is not the future of Roe v. Wade, school prayer, or any of the culture-war issues that have inflamed the country since the 1970s... Instead, the election will determine the future of the Supreme Court in unexpected areas that remain, for the moment, less visible than abortion, but no less important. If Bush wins, his aides seem determined to select justices who would resurrect what they call 'the Constitution in Exile,' reimposing meaningful limits on federal power that could strike at the core of the regulatory state for the first time since the New Deal... In short, the greatest danger from a Bush Court is not the overruling of Roe v. Wade but the overruling of the post-New Deal regulatory state."

Anonymous

Although I don't agree with you, I admire your passion.

Murphy

dear anon.

we're not passionate we're just pissed.

bye.
m

Trillian

Sprizee - I have to say that there is a lot of validity to what you're saying. I find I have to remind myself that not all Americans are like Homer Simpson - something that has just gotten more difficult with the "re"-election of W, and posts from the republican above. And I live next door (and used to be American!). The further away from the U.S. you get, I think the more difficult it gets to seperate the people from the politics.

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